Yeah Yeah.... I Know What You're Thinking...

I latch onto a subject and just won't let go... but I can't help it.... every time I go online, I find yet another ridiculous ban in New York.  I mean, you just can't make this shit up.   

OK... Let's recap, shall we..... first it was trans fats.... then it was baby formula.... then... ah yes... the banning of the use of the terms of endearment "bitch" and "ho".  Now New York wants to ban anyone from smoking in their car when driving with children. 

Let me be the first to say that smoking is bad for your health.... duh...we all know that.  We all also know that second hand smoke it worse.  I would think that it would be a no brainer for any responsible parent with small children to NOT smoke in the car with their kids.   But where do we draw the line between personal freedoms which we all know come with responsibility, and government intervention?  You see...this is how it happens.... a bite at a time.... smoking in bars and restaurants, use of cell phones while driving, trans fats, baby formula, bitch, ho and now smoking in the car.  Again, I must ask the question... what's next?  Anybody want to take a gander????

Mayor Bloomberg was asked his opinion....

Mr. Bloomberg said people should have the right to smoke in their own cars, but "if it's a child in the car, who doesn't have the ability to speak up and protect themselves, then society does start to have an interest."

I wonder if Mr. Bloomberg feels the same way about abortion??  Does he feel that women have the right to make a choice or since there is ultimately a child involved "who doesn't have the ability to speak up and protect themselves, then society does start to have an interest" and government should intervene?

Hmmmm....

Lisa

Comments

[Lee]

Lisa!
What a great idea!!
Banning smoking in an enclosed vehicle with children trapped inside..

I suppose you would have no problem cooking up some meth in an enclosed vehicle, either, you know..Libertarian thinking?

[Lee]

Now Lisa..Your analogy with the fetus in tghe womb Vs. the child in the car..seems fair at first blush.
(Let me say, as a pro-choicer, y=that I have always counseled pregnant women, when asked, to carry to term, BTW), but there is no analogy here. The unborn person does not attain any civil rights till about 11 days or so after birthm ( iremember that insurance companies have a clause in their pollicies that excludes payment unless the kid survives a couple of weeks)..Have they changed that?
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If you pro-lifers would give a little in your stands you might get pro-choicers such as me to meet you 1/2 way...

If you pro-lifers gave a sh*t about children AFTER they were born...Then we pro-choicers would be more understanding about your position about children BEFORE THEY ARE BORN,

CAPRISH???

[Lisa]

Lee... I am a pro-choicer... always have been. See, I believe in choice when it comes to before and after. And you analogy with meth is irrelevant... producing meth is illegal and children shouldn't be exposed to any illegal activity. And why would you think that the car would be enclosed.... don't you think people roll down the windows when they smoke in the car?

But for the record and as I said... parents should be responsible enough to not to expose their kids to second hand smoke... I wish my parents had been.

[LizaJane]

Sorry, this will be long:

Look at the second hand smoke science. Its as fudgy as the global warming science-all based on statistics and foggy "confidence levels" and a "concensus" among scientists.

Just google "junk science, second hand smoke". I volenteered long time ago at a American Cancer Society thrift store. The general manager of that store who was a long time member of that society told me flat out that second hand smoke "science" was all junk-she said it was all political, and political only and it made her mad. I think the bottom line if you look into it all -second hand smoke studies claim almost the same percentage of risk for disease as the smoker is exposed to. How is that?

That said, I don't think parents should smoke in an enclosed area around anybody, especially kids, it's rude and its' dumb but I also don't think the government should become some kind of nanny health nazi either. Its all about money in the end isn't it? You should hear the laws in Canada about smoking..my friend lives in Alberta. In some places you can't even smoke in your own backyard.

this guy at the Cato institute has some good points: http://www.cato.org/dailys/9-28-98.html

here's more facts:
The Facts about Second Hand Smoke Agendas:
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/agendas.html

And I like what he says here (it fits for everything you've pointed to us out Lisa) :

He says:

I find the continuing attacks on smokers and smoking a prefect microcosm of just about everything wrong with the United States:

• People unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions or decisions
• Demands that stupidity be profitable
• Insistence that life be risk free
• People who willingly take a well known risk, then demand compensation if they get hurt
• The deep dishonesty of spewing junk science to support an agenda
• The eagerness of the government and charity organizations to create that junk science
• The scientific illiteracy of the masses, which makes it easy for them to accept junk science
• The endless greed of the US government
• The endless greed of many US citizens
• The unfathomable greed of lawyers
• The incessant yammering of the sanctimonious nannies, who insist that they know what's best for everyone else

Michael Crichton also talks about the junk science of second hand smoke in his speech here:
Aliens Cause Global Warming
http://www.michaelcrichton.com/speech-alienscauseglobalwarming.html

[RD]

R.I.P Elvis.

[Lee]

Remember when I told you guys about my visit to Birmingham, AL when I was about 9 years old?....
I remember vividly riding in a big sedan, sitting directly behind the driver who was some relative of my mom's. The windows were all open as it was a hot, and humid summer day. He was chewing away on some tobacco as he was driving, and suddenly turned sideways and spit a large 'blob' of tobacco juice out his window. Well wind forces being what they are, the tobacco blob flew back through my opened window and hit me square in the face! Ugh!, Gawd!!..My sister just died laughing at me, (till mom made her stop, under threat of death). "JuneBug's got tobacco on him!, JuneBug's got tobacco on him!..." , Yeah! that was my nickname, as I was a Jr., see,...and I hated it too!).
If you think 2nd hand 'smoke' is nasty...Just think about what happened to me!!.....:0)

[Lisa]

I can relate Lee... my brother used to chase me around when we were kids trying to spit his backy juice on me... he got me a few times.... yeah... ugh is right.

[RD]

A Montana cowboy was overseeing his herd in a remote mountainous
pasture when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced out of a dust cloud
towards him.

The driver, a young man in a Brioni suit, Gucci shoes, Ray Ban
sunglasses and YSL tie, leans out the window and asks the cowboy, "If
I tell you exactly how many cows and calves you have in your herd,
will you give me a calf?"

The cowboy looks at the man, obviously a yuppie, then looks at his
peacefully grazing herd and calmly answers, "Sure, Why not?"

The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell notebook computer,
connects it to his Cingular RAZR V3 cell phone, and surfs to a NASA
page on the Internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite navigation
system to get an exact fix on his location which he then feeds to
another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution
photo.

The young man then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop and
exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg, Germany.

Within seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot that the image
has been processed and the data stored.

He then accesses a MS-SQL database through an ODBC connected Excel
spreadsheet with email on his Blackberry and, after a few minutes,
receives a response.

Finally, he prints out a full-color, 150-page report on his hi-tech,
miniaturized HP LaserJet printer and finally turns to the cowboy and
says, "You have exactly 1,586 cows and calves."

"That's right. Well, I guess you can take one of my calves," says the
cowboy.

He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on amused
as the young man stuffs it into the trunk of his car.

Then the cowboy says to the young man, "Hey, if I can tell you
exactly what your business is, will you give me back my calf?"

The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, "Okay, why not?"

You're A Democrat Congressman for the U.S. Government", says the cowboy.

"Wow! That's correct," says the yuppie, "but how did you guess that?"

"No guessing required." answered the cowboy. "You showed up here even
though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already
knew, to a question I never asked. You tried to show me how much
smarter than me you are; and you don't know a thing about cows...this
is a herd of sheep.

Now give me back my dog.

[Lee]

Cute!

[Lee]

LizaJane thinks attacking smoking is 'anti-American or anti-freewill...Well she might change her mind if she looks at this sampling of cigarette ads from the 20th century by camel....

I remember there was this huge billboard on top of a large bldg on Euclid Ave, (One of 'The Main Drags), that you passed enroute to Downtown...It showed the face of a fellow smoking a camel cigarette..every few seconds or so, he would blow out a large
'cigarette smoke ring' out into the air..This was so fascinating to me as a kid...People would just stand there and ooh and aah...In retrospect this, to me, is no different than if a dope dealer had paid for a similar advt for heroin, or cocaine, or crack...

http://indymotorspeedway.com/cigs/1960s.html

[LizaJane]

"LizaJane thinks attacking smoking is 'anti-American or anti-freewill...Well she might change her mind if she looks at this sampling of cigarette ads from the 20th century by camel...."

I dont like junk science regulating the public or making public policy. And I want less government in our lives not more.

And you don't know even half of what else I think Lee so stop thinking you do.

I have an idea that you might do this kind of assuming to the people you meet in real life. You assume what they think before even asking them on a million subjects. I have an idea you don't have too many people who like to be around you because of this habit of yours.

[Lee]

LizaJane...There you go again..deflecting the argument with non sequitor clap-trap!
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If you still believe that smoking is ok, wonderful, healthy, a constituional right, makes you sexy, (that is exhaling breath that smells like the bottom of a toilet), doesn't increase risk of starting fires, discarded gigarette buitts don't litter and despoil the landscape, etc....
Then it is YOU, LIZAJANE, who has 'junk' for a brain...
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I have no shortage of people who like my company, BTW...
But I'm willing to bet you can clear out the room in no time flat when you whip out your Ouija board orations.....:0)

[LizaJane]

Lee, WTF? I'm reading your latest comments in various topics here. You are pathetic! Are you bored or something? Why don't you out with your friends instead?

"If you still believe that smoking is ok, wonderful, healthy, a constituional right, makes you sexy, (that is exhaling breath that smells like the bottom of a toilet), doesn't increase risk of starting fires, discarded gigarette buitts don't litter and despoil the landscape, etc....
Then it is YOU, LIZAJANE, who has 'junk' for a brain..."

Again, never said ANY of that Lee. Sheesh!!!! Either you misunderstand what is said or make something up in your head, or assume a heck of alot of nonsensical connections in just about every topic! then you get all ANGRY over it, blame, dish out guilt and sin and (that all in itself makes no sense whatsoever to anybody but you because you hold a grudge or something!)