Do We Really Want Another Clinton Whitehouse???

I know I dont.  But for those of you who are thinking about it... here is some interesting info on the scars that follow the Clintons where ever they go.  Yeah yeah yeah...I know this has gone around over and over again... but in my opinion.. the vast numbers are enough to make anyone take a second look.

People who have been affiliated with the Clintons during their reign.

  1-James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary c onfinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
       2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House. 
       3- Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide-no gun found at scene.
       4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman.  Reported to have died by impact i n a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller commited suicide.
       5- C. Victor Raiser II! - Raiser , a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
       6-Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel roo m in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor".
       7-Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
       8-Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in  Little Rock .. Gunned  down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock . Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton .. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
       9-James Bunch -  Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Boo k" of people which contained names of influential people who visited  prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas ..
       10-James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He wasreported to have ties to Whitewater.

Lisa

P.S...  There's more....

11-Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was  found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head.  It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant  along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
       12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grav e site of his fiancee.
       13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug  distributor.
       14-Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
       15- Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
       16-Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the dea! f from 1 978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
       17-Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Inves tigating Mena Airport   and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
       18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.   
       19-Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp.  Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan G uaranty scandal.
       20-Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996.  Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
       21-Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang  special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
       22-Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton! 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.
       23-Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.
       24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. -  Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in  the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
       25-Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
       26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
       27-Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2  boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the  case died before their testimony could come before a  Grand Jury.

       THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE  IVES/HENRY CASE:

       28-Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
       29-Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988......(possible suicide ?haa!)
       30-Gregory Collins -  Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
       31-Jeff Rhodes -  He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump! in Apri l 1989.
       33-James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".
       34-Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his  pickup truck in June 1990.
       35-Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

       THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
       36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
       37-Captain Scott J . Reynolds
       38-Sgt. Brian Hanley
       39-Sgt. Tim Sabel
       40-Major General William Robertson
       41-Col. William Densberger
       42-Col. Robert Kelly
       43-Spec. Gary Rhodes
       44-Steve Willis
       45-Robert Williams
       46-Conway LeBleu
       47-Todd McKeehan

Comments

[JFH]

Come on, Lisa, this post implies a conspiracy about as kooky as the one about the October Surprise as defined by cat and dimmer!!

NOBODY GETS AWAY WITH CONSPIRACIES!! There are too many people and evidence involved to remain a secret for any amount of time.

[dimmer]

Hey, JFH, come over here and say that!

All of this got investigated in that "Grand Jury" probe, didn't it (I'm not positive, but I think it was) -- and the judgment was a pure "Not guilty" on all charges? Despite the millions of dollars Ken Starr had pissed away?

[JFH]

heh, to use your terms, dimmer, "not guilty" doesn't imply "innocent".

(Although I believe that not ONE of these deaths had to do with any action by the Clintons...)

[IraqWarVeteran]

Answer to the question at top....NO!!! No Way!! Never Again!!

Now let me explain:

October 11, 2002

H.J. Res 114
A joint resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.

YEAs - 77
NAYs - 23

Senator Clinton (D-NY) - YEA

I will never again vote for a PRO-WAR Democrat. Votes have consequences.

[RD]

None of this makes any sense as long as Dick Morris remains alive.

[catastrophile]

LOL@RD.

A relative recently forwarded this to me asking if I thought there was anything to it. And I told her maybe, some of them.

Sometimes people have secrets they'll kill to keep. Especially people rich enough to hire somebody competent to do the dirty work.

The would-be Enron whistleblower who "committed suicide" before that whole mess broke is a good example. Was he depressed or murdered? Tough call.

Of course, a lot of these are just such a stretch, "maybe" is the best you can do. Compare 1, above:

"1-James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation."

I read that and thought of former Bush administration official and convicted Enron conspirator Ken Lay. I read about Clinton opponents falling out of the sky and I think of Mel Carnahan (he was the corpse who beat John Ashcroft for Senate in 2000, if you don't recall) and Paul Wellstone.

Fact is, I wouldn't put these kind of dirty tricks past either political faction. These are raw, power-hungry opportunists. We've seen just how brutal a game politics can be.

So why would anyone assume political assassination is off the table?

And to answer JFH, you're flat wrong. People get away with murder all the damn time.

[Lee]

Lisa may have a valid point here...

Der Fuhrer, Ronald Reagan and James Brady, both survived the assassination attempt by John Hinckley, Jr.

And

Harry Whittington, survived being shot in the face by Dick Cheney.

So elect NEO-CONS to office to keep more Americans alive...

[Lisa]

All of you have to admit there is a shit load of people who have been affiliated with the Clintons who are dead now. There's no disputing that.

[dimmer]

"I will never again vote for a PRO-WAR Democrat. Votes have consequences."

Certainly a position you are welcome to have, but we should keep in mind that the vote was to give the president authority to use force should all other options prove non-productive. As such, it was a "Do you stand behind the CiC or not?" vote, that was then used somewhat (err) liberally.

That is a shit load of people, but by the same token there are about 20 people who I've known/dealt with who are dead now (a sad proportion by suicide) and trust me, I didn't do nufink to help them along the way. (There are others who I'd be more than happy to see pushing up daisies, but those bastards seem to have charmed lives.)

[catastrophile]

Heh. I didn't even realize the Mena train track kids were in there.

Just to put this out there, the people who want to tie those kids to Clinton do so by way of a plot to fly cocaine into the US by military cargo plane to an air base in Mena, Arkansas.

That is to say: The inclusion of the Mena kids in the list is meant to imply that then-Governor Clinton was in on the whole alleged Reagan-CIA crack smuggling operation that I'm sure we've all heard of.

(I'm not endorsing this theory, just letting you know what it entails. I watched a documentary on "the Mena connection" once.)

Incidentally, Bill Clinton also drove Warren Commission member Hale Boggs to the airport before his plane went down in Alaska. And yes, people have therefore suggested that Clinton's a part of the JFK cover-up as well.

[IraqWarVeteran]

Dimmer said: "the vote was to give the president authority to use force should all other options prove non-productive. As such, it was a "Do you stand behind the CiC or not?" vote, that was then used somewhat (err) liberally."

Then how did 23 Senators get it right? And Ms. Clinton, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Biden, and Mr. Edwards (all four running for President) Get it wrong?

[dimmer]

IWV, I honestly can't give you an answer for that. If I had been asked to vote on that item, not knowing what I know now, I'd have had to say yes. The 23 who said "No" either had extreme prescience, or a deeper gut feeling (or knew that they were not seeking re-election/or had no chance of not being re-elected: politics should rise above such concerns, but sadly at times...)

At this point, with the people requiring that the troops be brought home, and the president standing alone in denying this, does this make you feel better or worse? Do you accept that the "authorization" was intended to enable and support the CiC?