This Is What Victory Looks Like

A while back, someone asked the question what did victory look like.  Well here we are two years after Saddam was captured and the Iraqi citizens are voting for their permanent parliment.  This is an amazing moment in history. 

Photo by FoxNews

The people of Iraq are speaking....including the Sunis.  Families are going to the polling places together.  They are all feeling great about their future.  Democracy is taking hold.

Now, what would be happening in Iraq if the democrats had their way and we never went into Iraq?  How many of these citizens who are voting for their future would be in one of Saddam's torture chambers right now? 

These elections today are what victory is all about.

Lisa

Others talking:  Michelle Malkin, Black Five

Comments

[HC]

We won and we can pull out the Troops starting today. I am so glad I was wrong!!! I cannot wait to welcome our Troops home. We should have Victory Parade to welcome our Troops home.

[Lisa]

Tell me something HC... did we automatically pull all of our troops out the day we won WWII?

Ah.. If I'm not mistaken, we still have troops in Germany, don't we?

[HC]

Are our Troops still dying in Germany? Victory to me is when our Troops stop dying in Iraq and not purple stain finger. We lefties have a higher standard.

[Bombtruck]

As if democrats have a clue about what victory is. You didn't believe in it in Vietnam, didn't believe in it in Somalia, did nothing about terrorism during the 90's so no one would get offended, you aren't winning elections....could you even find the definition in the nearest Webster's????

Disregard the Iraqis and their victory if you like, but every purple finger there goes a long way to show you dems just how wrong you've been about them.

Not that you care from your ivory towers.

[Lisa]

Well put Bombtruck. These elections put us one step closer to our soldiers coming home.

[USMC Steve]

US reaction to losses in Vietnam, Cut and run.

US reaction to Marines killed during peacekeeping action in Lebanon: Cut and run.

US reaction to soldiers killed during peacekeeping operations in Somalia: Cut and run.

This gives the definite tactical impression to our enemies that we haven't the balls to commit to something when things don't go our way. Now, we have a new tactic sponsored by leftists and some libdems: even when we are making progress: Cut and run.

That is progress, isn't it?

HC, yes, troops are dying in Germany. They are dying wherever they are stationed around the world, due to accidents, injuries, enemy action in Iraq, and Afghanistan...BTW how come you leftists stopped screaming about us messing over the Afghani people and taking out the Taliban and all that? Did you finally realize you were being fools about that? Or did you decide to try with everything you had to screw over the Iraqis, because they aren't deserving of freedom, representative government, and life, liberty, and all that good stuff? Your actions confirm that, but I thought I would ask anyway.

[HC]

I see this as possible turning point in Iraq and I hope it is the turning point that leds to victory. But, we have not won yet. American Troops are still being blown up and not until that ends can we declare victory. You righties have declared victory so many times that you are starting to sound like the boy who cried wolf.

[Bombtruck]

Is this believing in "victory", HC:

"I've seen this before in my life. This is the same situation we had in Vietnam. Everybody then kept saying, 'just another year, just stay the course, we'll have a victory.' Well, we didn't have a victory, and this policy cost the lives of an additional 25,000 troops because we were too stubborn to recognize what was happening. The idea that we're going to win the war in Iraq is an idea which is just plain wrong,"

Howard Dean, WOAI San Antonio 12/6/2005.

Yeah, you hope for success like people in hell hope it gets a little warmer.

[USMC Steve]

We won the war in Iraq. We won the war against the Taliban in Afghanistan. We continue to fight the war on terror.

There are different kinds of victories, some small and some big. Military victories are one kind, the free elections in Iraq are another peaceful sort of victory. There have been many victories, both large and small since we went into Iraq and also in Afghanistan, which leftists would rather ignore totally.

Why do you persist in denigrating the accomplishments of the troops in those countries, doing such a great job, while persisting in saying you support them? Is it some form of liberal brain damage, to be unable to see that when you say, "What you are doing sucks, but we support YOU." doesn't make sense? It must be. It certainly isn't rational. That some don't want us there, I understand. That some want us to get out right now and leave the Iraqis hanging in the wind, I don't understand. That is not rational, not at all, unless they are so ethnocentric that they feel the Iraqis don't rate freedom and self determination.

Get over yourselves people.

[HC]

Bombie Dean is right about Vietnam and the Left started that war.

He has been right in everything he has said about the Iraq War so far. Being right on the Iraq War does not bring the Left any pleasure. We just want to end the dying of American Troops and the Right cruses the Left for that desire.

[HC]

USMC

Just say we won three more times and it might make it so.

So repeat after me.

We won
We won
We won

[Bombtruck]

I'm sorry....Dean's RIGHT?????

Dean and being right have never met at any point. Case in point TODAY'S IRAQI VOTE!!!

[HC]

Bombie I did not mean that Dean is a Rightie, but all his statements about the Iraq War have been correct so far.

[Shari]

HC, You believe that Dean has been right on the war??? BWWWAAAHHHHHAAA!! I also have a bridge out in the middle of the pacific I want to sell you....

These are funny (and sad):

Thursday, December 15th, 2005
Top Ten Kos Kidz Reactions to Today’s Elections In Iraq

Okay, folks, let’s jump right in:

Number Ten.
…[I]t’s precisely what BushCo is trying to do. Distract us from the violence and the
deaths, of both U.S. and coalition forces and the Iraqi people, by staging
these elections and giving us these photo ops.

Number Nine:
I won’t believe the numbers anyway. After the last election took 3 weeks
to finalise [sic] the votes, I didn’t trust those results either.

Earlier this week, on Air America, I heard about a truck of ballots being intercepted on
it’s [sic] way from Iran. With Iran & the U.S. both wanting a desired
outcome, I don’t think it matters what the Iraqis want. Either Iran or the U.S. is going to win this election, votes be damned.

Number Eight:
I want to know if Diebold had machines set up to count the votes.

Number Seven:
The paradigm I operate under is that the forces Bush has
marshaled to allow him to use my money to terrorize a foreign population and
get American soldiers killed and maimed are the exact same ones which are
staging the election and will oversee not only the results but the actions of
the elected.

Number Six:
If the Iraqis are successful in their democratic endeavor,
perhaps they could send consultants to Ohio and Florida.

Number
Five:
more iraqis are voting than americans voted in the last pres
election

stupid f***ing
americans

good for the
iraqis

maybe america needs a good and bloody civil war to remember what democracy is about

Number
Four:
I don’t believe a f***ing word of what the New York Times
tells me about election day in Iraq.

Remember
last time? The anecdotes of people walking miles to get to the polls? Reports
of unexpectedly high Sunni turnout? The dawn of democracy?

Remember the
Repugs pointing to those reports and waving purple fingers at us?

Lies and
propaganda, in the mold of Judith Miller.

Number Three:
This is just theater. All completely meaningless, and woe
to the suckers who buy into this BS.

These elections are nothing more than a prop for the bush thugs. No election
that was initiated, designed, engineered, and carried out by a foreign
occupation power has any legitimacy, here or elsewhere. None. Period.

If Uzbekistan invaded the US, toppled the government, installed its hand-picked puppets, then ran through the motions of several rounds of voting, would the regime that resulted have any legitimacy whatsoever? Of course not. It would be laughed at.

This so-called election is utter bullsh**, nothing more than photo ops and PR props.

Number Two:
Has any reporter asked anyone in the administration [sic] why the f*** Iraq has had even 1 election if the country can’t even employ 60% of the people?! If 50 people are dying a day. Can’t [sic] one a**hole just ask the f***ing question?!?

Number One:
I had a realization today while driving to work listening to all the talking heads blather on about Iraqis voting.

I. DON’T.
GIVE. A. SH**. ABOUT. THIS.

Was it worth half a trillion of our (children’s) wealth and 2140 of our young people? 30,000 to 100,000 civilian "collateral damage"?

F NO.

http://decision08.net/2005/12/15/top-ten-kos-kidz-reactions-to-todays-elections-in-iraq/

I would be curious how many YOU, HC, agree with?

[HC]

Shari 10 thru 3

[Chris Sears]

"We just want to end the dying of American Troops" (boy, does that sentence make me mad)

Yes, that is always the argument 'cause how can ANYONE disagree with that? Of course noone WANTS more of our troops to die! So, you just use that as they whole reasoning behind everything? There is nothing more to the position?

Well, "to end the dying of the troops" should not be our GOAL! That's not the goal in this World War on Terror. Do you think the GOAL of the soldiers over there is to "stop the dying of the troops"? Ask some of them. Their goals are much higher and more meaningful goals about their country and freedom and liberty. Their goal is to make sure the job is done before they leave and complete, for themselves and those who died and got wounded before them, what needs to be done there. They know that in making sure it's safe to leave the country to their own security forces, and leaving it as a force of democracy in the region is the real goal. THAT GOAL, when successfully realized will mean for the future, that soldiers after them won't have to go back and do it over and die, and their children won't have to die for the same thing.

It is quite a tricky thing to say tho isn't it , cause who will be on the other side of 'Wanting to end the dying of the American Troops"? Need better stuff than that, HC and Cindy.

[HC]

Searsie you hate me for wanting end the dying of American Troops; how interesting. I hope bush and you righties prove that the Iraq War is worth the cost. Keep crying wolf and maybe one time you will be right.

[Chris Sears]

I don't hate you, HC. I would never spend the time, energy and putting forth of my ideas, to anyone I did not feel a great comraderie or friendship with. I think the "comraderie is the common need we have to "express"!(That MAY be our only thing in common!!)
My time is worth alot, ($per hr. - very expensive!) especially right now.

Your statements cause me to get mad, flustered, smile, laugh, and then cause me to have to put my emotions into thoughts. It's a good thing!

[HC]

Searsie you got all nice to me. Your kind words melts my hard edge makes me say to you that you do the same to me. Thanks for the nice words and for keeping me on my toes.