This is absolutely unbelieveable...The head of the Christian Peacemakers is blaming the US for the kidnapping of these idiots.
"We are angry because what has happened to our teammates is the result of the actions of the U.S. and U.K. government due to the illegal attack on Iraq and the continuing occupation and oppression of its people."
They also don't want anyone to use force to rescue their team members...
"CPT does not advocate the use of violent force to save lives of its workers should they be kidnapped, held hostage, or caught in the middle of a conflict situation."
Hey, not a problem.... a simple please should do the trick...Geeze.
Look, Colonel Hunt and I agree that this is a bad thing....but we disagree on what should be done. He says our troops have an obligation to attempt a rescue ....I say to hell with them. They weren't there to provide aid to the Iraqi people...they were there to "get in the way" and obstruct our efforts. They knew the risks when they signed up for protest duty. Even their own group doesn't want any rescue effort to be made...which is fine by me.
Lisa
Hat tip: GOP Vixen
Others talking: Michelle Malkin, My Pet Jawa


why the surprise? of course they would blame the USA. They dispise the USA. I bet boy and cheesesteak are sitting there at their sticky keyboards just tearing up DU and other sites over this.
Posted by: | Wednesday, November 30, 2005 at 06:45 AM
Just out of curiosity.....what was this 'oppression' by the US called when Saddam was in power???
Peace activists, hostages of Al Qaeda?? Irony, pick up line 1...
Posted by: Bombtruck | Wednesday, November 30, 2005 at 10:49 AM
That is the risk they take when they do these types of things. If they went to Africa and did the same thing in most of those countries, who would they blame if they were kidnapped? Or one of them killed for that matter? Go to South America, Columbia and see what that will bring you. OK, go to North Korea, or China. So now we have to risk our men for these clowns.
Posted by: Rita | Wednesday, November 30, 2005 at 11:22 AM
Interesting how Reeps claim to be the party of Christ, but you guys get all derisive when anybody has the nerve to advocate Christian principles, like nonviolence . . .
Posted by: catastrophile | Wednesday, November 30, 2005 at 07:11 PM
I am a Rpeublican and I have never ever thought of the Republican Party as the "Party of Christ"...that's absurd to continue to lump the Christian right with the entire Republican Party. I don't claim that the entire Democratic Party consists of Michael Moores and Barbara Streisands...and that would be equally absurd...I mean y'all still manage to have Zell Miller and Joe Liebermann..... At least give us "credit" for John McCain...the media does...why can't you?
Posted by: Matt Hurley | Wednesday, November 30, 2005 at 08:08 PM
There you go again Cat with thinking that all of us who post are "religious and Reeps" You must have a freakin crystal ball. Gosh, you are so dead wrong on that one. I guess you are the chosen one.
Posted by: Rita | Wednesday, November 30, 2005 at 08:29 PM
Getting back on topic..
That's what I feel seperates the 'us' from the 'them', though. Is that, despite these people being incredibly naive and putting themselves in dangerous situations, coalition/Iraqi soldiers will do their best to rescue them anyway. They might be pricks, but it's their democratic right to be pricks.
Despite them basically working wonders for the morale of coalition troops (and the opposition), I don't wish death upon them. Slap them silly, yes, death, no.
Then again, I can't say I'd want anyone risking their lives over International Solidarity Movement members. But then again, I don't think 'peacemakers' have reached the point where they start harbouring terrorists and weapon caches yet either.
..Have they?
Posted by: Reaps | Wednesday, November 30, 2005 at 08:58 PM
Reaps... the mission statement of this group is to "Get in the way"... hindering the efforts of our soldiers. And now, because of stupidity, brave soldiers are going to risk their lives to rescue this bunch. I pray to God no members of our military lose their lives in that totally unnecessary rescue mission.
Posted by: Lisa | Wednesday, November 30, 2005 at 11:34 PM
Matt:
I'm sorry to break this to you, but while Moore and Streisand run around at the fringe and excite the base, the Reep in the Oval Office still seems to think that God told him to invade Iraq.
Now, let's compare the number of Dems who voted for Michael Moore last year with the number of Reeps who voted for halo-boy, shall we? If the man was a Dem I'm pretty sure you'd recognize him as a slobbering megalomaniac. All it took with Dean was a shotgun mike.
Rita:
If you can point me to anywhere in my comment that I referred to yours, I'll apologize for calling you paranoid.
Posted by: catastrophile | Wednesday, November 30, 2005 at 11:54 PM
No, I am not paranoid, I just want to you say "some of you". No 'you guys"....thanks
Posted by: Rita | Thursday, December 01, 2005 at 08:09 AM
Getting back on topic... again..
I can understand your feelings, Lisa. I've just skimmed their website, and they don't seem much better than the ISM. Perhaps they thought that by chucking the 'Christian' angle into it they hoped to deflect criticism from 'the right' or some such, as I assume this is what Cat is on about (because, after all, anyone who so much as leans to the right is a Christian.. what?)
It's frustrating, I know, but just like police officers often find themselves having to protect people who deserve to go to jail, and doctors having to perform surgery on drunk drivers, there's a good chance that soldiers will wind up trying to rescue these people.
Look on the plus side; you'd be hard-pressed to find a better anti-'peace at any price' argument than if these fellas got rescued by the very soldiers they were protesting *against* :P
Cheers anyhoo
Posted by: Reaps | Thursday, December 01, 2005 at 10:53 AM
Reaps -- Is it so difficult for you to imagine that somebody might actually and honestly believe that war is wrong, and act on that belief?
As for "anyone who so much as leans to the right" being Christian, no, I'm talking about those of you who remain faithful to the Bush cult, and think that Jesus uses cluster bombs to spread the Word.
Posted by: catastrophile | Thursday, December 01, 2005 at 02:10 PM
I think most people here believe that war is 'wrong', but in a world of despots, unfortunately necessary. It's difficult to imagine there are people like these hostages who are so naive to think otherwise.
Calling yourself 'peacemakers' and then going on to quite clearly 'take sides' on issues of war does not make you a peace'maker'.
I can't quite recall any part of the any policy in Iraq including 'converting as many of them damn towelheads as possible to Christianity', but let's not let common sense get in the way of a witty-sounding phrase that basically implies that Bush is an evil theocrat.
Eh, this discussion is going nowhere, so I'll let the relevant parties get back to finger-pointing :)
Posted by: Reaps | Thursday, December 01, 2005 at 09:00 PM
What makes some people think that the so-called Christian "peacemakers" are really for peace? Isn't "peacemaker" a great cover for somebody who really wants war, or who wants the victory of a particular side in that war? Maybe the kidnapping of these characters was staged for propaganda effect.
Now, this group also operates in Hebron in the Land of Israel. Hebron is an ancient Jewish holy city, next in importance to Jerusalem, where part of the Jewish population was massacred [68 murdered] and hundreds of others driven out by Arabs [with British connivance] in 1929. Jews returned to live in Hebron after the 1967 Six-Day War. When Israeli troops withdrew from most of Hebron in 1998 [mistakenly in my view] Arab attacks on Jews there increased. And guess what? Some dear "Christian peacemakers" came to settle there. Their activity is to try to prevent Israeli soldiers from preventing Arab attacks on the Jewish civilian population in Hebron, as well as on Jewish pilgrims to the Tomb of the Patriarchs there. And they try to prevent troops from arresting Arabs after terrorist attacks. Sounds like helping terrorists to me.
Posted by: Eliyahu | Friday, December 02, 2005 at 04:16 AM
In'Sh Alla
Posted by: Abdul | Friday, December 02, 2005 at 10:26 AM
"Isn't 'peacemaker' a great cover for somebody who really wants war, or who wants the victory of a particular side in that war?"
Isn't "security" a great cover for somebody who really wants to occupy and keep the land and wealth of others?
Deception and dishonesty are always possible. But when Jesus stayed the hand of his disciple, He didn't make the sort of fine distinctions you're making. It's just possible that some people might take that as an example, no?
Posted by: catastrophile | Friday, December 02, 2005 at 08:36 PM
Check out a site dedicated to the absurdity and satire nature of saying "It's All George Bush's Fault!"
http://www.itsallgeorgebushsfault.com
Regards,
Notta Libb
Posted by: Notta Libb | Thursday, December 15, 2005 at 07:31 AM