Where is the World Outrage?

First, let me say that I fully support what the police officers did in London.  I believe that in the whole scheme of things, they had every right to shoot the Brazilian who was running from them. 

That being said...can you imagine if this happened in the United States?  Where is the liberal world outrage?

Sure, there have been a couple of organizations in London speaking out, but nothing to the extent of the world response to the allegation of detainee mistreatment by U.S. soldiers at Gitmo.  Where are the riots...where are the politicians...where is Amnesty International.  After their brief statement condemning the bombings of July 7, there has been nothing.  No questions and no demands for answers.  Of course, when there was a possibility of a couple of Korans were being handled without gloves, everyone was demonizing the Bush Administration.

If this had happened in the United States, every world organization would be all over the story.  There would be riots in the streets of Muslim countries, the Brazilian government would not just be “shocked and perplexed” but would be demanding answers now.  And can you imagine the hey day the democrats would have with this.  I can hear Durbin now with his "Nazi" comments as well as Schumer and Kennedy blaming Bush for all of it.  Michelle Malkin talks about how this has effected the police departments in the United States.

My point for all if this is that even though Britain is our closest ally in the War on Terror, they are still not held to the standard that the United States is held in the eyes of the world.  They will get a pass on this which is fine with me.  Like I said earlier, I don't find anything wrong with the way the police responded to the actions of the Brazilian.  I'm just very glad it didn't happen over here.

Comments

[Billy]

What happened to the Brazilian man is very sad,but with what was happening ,you could hardly blame the police.It depends on what story to believe.Were they holding him down when they shot him?Did they shoot himwhile he was running?I dont believe there would be the outrage you talk about if it happened in this country.Hell, it happens in the City of Richmond about once a month,no biggy.

[Lisa]

Billy,

I think you are WRONG...The United States is always under the microscope when it comes to world opinion. My God, the liberal media in this country stands waiting with baited breath for any mistake the United States military makes so they can pounce and broadcase it worldwide and tell the world community what horrible arrogant people we are and how aweful the Bush administration is.

[Steve]

When you are biggest and most power country in the world and attack an unarmed country (Iraq) that was no threat to you, You put yourself under the microscope.

[MacStansbury]

OH MY GOD!!! THEY SHOT A POOR, INNOCENT, LILY-WHITE PURE INSURGENT!!!! All he ever wanted was world peace. and to blow up a school.

um...edit that last part out. makes him sound too mean. say it was Bush's fault.

[Lisa]

If Saddam had allowed the UN inspectors in where they needed to go and didn't play stupid power games with them, we would have never invaded. Look, we called his bluff and he lost. And now in the course of calling his bluff, we have allowed millions of Iraqi people to start building a democracy and given them the freedom to not be afraid anymore that they will be gassed or tortured by Saddam's army and thrown into a mass grave.

And Steve, you are right, we are the largest most powerful country... we finance a lot of countries and were the leader in the relief for the tsunami victims...but ya don't hear the media talking about that, do you.

Mac...am I missing something..it was my understanding that the guy who was shot had no ties to the bombers. Let me know if you have other info.

Thanx,
Lisa

[Steve]

The inspectors wanted more time. Joe Wilson debunked the yellow cake story and his reward the outing of his wife. Where are the WMDs.

This war to the world looks like a grab for Iraq Oil by the US. After 9/11 the world love us and after invading Iraq they hate us.

Bin Laden lives giving proof to his followers that he is protected by God.

All this happen under Bush's Watch.

[Chris]

Ok--yes we went to war on WMD and no they weren't there and while that is a fine conversation to have, most of the American people have given Bush a pass on it. While you might not like it, sadly it is true. So let's deal with what is and not what should have been. We are there,. We need to move forward from that premise..

The current terrorism mess is the fault of every elected official for the last thirty years--we didn't deal with it the way we should have--often we ran away from a fight and we ignored a lot of things we shouldn't have--instead of playing the blame game let's move forward from here.

It isn't true that if we leave all Muslim land they will leave us alone. Tt is patently false. They view Muslim land as any land they ever owned or controlled and any land where there are any Muslims--so unless we all want to move to Texas we are going to have to deal with guys...

I honestly can not say what is true about Joe Wilson and what is untrue. What I know is that even if no violation of law occured Rove and Libby violated the procedures for dealing with anything that was considered classified info. They were supposed to check to see if it was classified and they didn't and whether or not the press corps supposedly knew she was a CIA agent doesn't matter the burden was on those guys to do their job correctly and follow procedure--sure I think they should get fired but they are just gonna go work for the RNC and the conservative campaings coming up in 2006 and 2008 they aren't going away. They are good at what they do it is time the Dems get their act together and learned the art of political warfare...

[Lisa]

Don't you think 12 years is enought time? Saddam was playing a game that he lost. All he had to do was open the doors and he didn't, so he must live with the consequences.

Yeah, I still love the Iraqi oil comments.....haven't seen one drop yet.

Let's not forget...Clinton had the opportunity to have bin Ladin delivered over here on a silver platter had turned it down.

But as much as I hate to say it, Chris has a point. Our problems started well before either Clinton or Bush were in the white house. Bleh, I hate having to agree with her. hehehehe

[Steve]

The 911 commission debunked the Clinton opportunity. If you do not believe me go read the report.

In the worlds eyes, and I think the question was why do the world believes that the is US a bully, it is they think we are trying for Iraqi oil grab. They are happy we are failing. What most American's do not get after 911 the world was in support of American and after the Iraq invasion they hate us.

Bush made the US less safe by causing the world to hate the US.

[Rita]

Maybe he should be reading the Colonel's book; more factual information. 30 plus years of all the Administrations, and their little sidekicks to ignore the warnings, and to run like slinky, dirty little rodents. It's very typical of this generation these days. They hated us way before Bush came into office. Now I don't agree with a lot that this administration has done, or is doing right now. But, to be fair we need to point the fingers at all of those who denied the facts. Trace it, and it will lead back many years. Patience, that is what terrorists always have, and time as well. I think at this time we need to focus on the future, and the way to stop this, which will take years.

[Chris]

I read the 9/11 report--tell me where it debunked that?

Less safe...well maybe--even if I give you that. Even if I grant you that Iraq made us less safe--(I'll do it for the sake of argument but I don't really think that) what is complaining about it doing for either our country or our party? Bush can't be elected a third time--way to many Dems voted for it--what is the point of your point? I'm more interested in how you want to proceed from here...

Chris

[Steve]

I am sorry, my job requires me to work with people from other nations and I know when they started to hate America. In the Middle East it started with the birth of Israel.

But outside that part of world, for example Europe, it started the Invasion of Iraq. We are scary to the rest of world and they hate us for it.

[Rita]

Well, my father is European and I know what the Europeans thought about the US years ago. Arrogant, big shots, and other ill defined words. Yes, Iraq gives them reason to voice hatred even more, but it has been there. Or I should say we were "disliked" and this is nothing new.

[Chris]

And the hateful act of crashing planes into buildings happened before we invaded Iraq...so somebody hated us before. I'm not saying you are wrong--just asking what you want to do about it?

Chris

[Steve]

And after that day the French and others stated that we are all Americans now. That support ended when we invaded Iraq.

I am not smart enough to fix Bush's mess. I wish I were. Iraq is like a egg once broken it can never be put back together again.

I think we need to withdraw the troops and let Iraq determine it's future. Then learn from this mistake so we never do it again.

In 2006 election cycle we Democrats need to take back the house. It is doable.

Then we will some check on Bush's power.

[Rita]

I read somewhere that we were going to be withdrawing in 2006, not all of course. I also read that the new Iraqi government wants us to have a plan for withdrawal. No one more then the men and women serving want to come home. But we need to make sure the job is done, and that means we have to keep some troops there for awhile. But, this will not stop terrorism. We need to stop other countries from supporting terrorism (financially), we need to down their communications, we need to have intelligence on the ground, and I mean "inside" (very hard, since past administrations have cut the intelligence field). We need to continue to help 3rd world countries so they can develop growth and capital. We also need to kill the terrorists where they live, eat, sleep, breath, S***, and we need to stop blaming others and get this done.

[Chris]

I think we need to train the Iraqi army first. I think we need to give this "democracy" a fighting chance. If we pull out now, there is no chance they will be able to defend themselves. We need to take everyone up on their offers to help train Iraqis and then we need to come home.

Chris

[Steve]

Rita stated

"we need to have intelligence on the ground, and I mean "inside" (very hard, since past administrations have cut the intelligence field)."

I agree with above statement, but would like to add that is very hard to get "intelligence on the inside" when we out our own CIA Agents.

[Steve]

Chris
That was the same argument that kept us in Vietnam. In the end the south fell and the delay just resulted in more dead Americans.

[Lisa]

Steve,

I'm afraid I have personal experience with the hatred the French have for us. While boarding the Metro in Paris, an elderly man stood and spit in my face and told me how much he hated America. That was 29 years ago. I was about to give him another reason to hate us when a nice American lady living in Paris stepped in and defused the situation. That was a defining moment in my life. I will never step foot on french soil again.

That happened before Bush, before Clinton, before Bush 41, even before Reagan.

The reason the French government was so against us going into Iraq was because they were ass deep int he Oil for Food scandal. They didn't want us going in there and messing things up.

Look, the Repbulicans may have the power, but nobody has told them. This is the biggest group of wussies I've ever seen. They are all too afraid to step up to the plate and do anything. They all want to make sure no one's feelings are hurt. Geeze...I got to hand it to the Dems...when they have the power, they do know how to use it.

[Rita]

That CIA agent was not in the field. Plus, I don't think she would fit in with the Taliban. And yes, I think whoever "outed" her should be fired, that is a no brainer. Even ex-CIA agents agree that Rove should have been made an example of and fired. The point is it would have taken years to have someone in place who was trusted on their side. That should have been in the late 80's and all of the 90's.

[Billy]

I cant wait to see what we do when the Iraqies tell us to get out and to leave the oil behind.

[Lisa]

Billy is right...that is exactly what is going to happen. They are already talking about joining OPEC.

[Steve]

Lisa

I sorry for your experience, but what can I say every country has it's a$$holes. But I do judge a people by the A$$holes.

I have been in France and was treated like a welcome guest. When I am talking about the world I am not talking about the leaders, I am talking about the people.

[Steve]

I have just one question "How did our oil get under their soil?"