Oh My God, it's early...

Early this morning I looked at Michelle Malkin's blog and found her post on comments Brian Williams made regarding America and it being born of a revolutionary and terrorist action.

I mentioned it to Lisa, and the following ensued.

I would like to note for the record that it is unfair to start an argument before I have had an entire cup of coffee. I will probably amend some of the things I said later today when I have had enough caffeine to actually have a coherent thought but my feeling is accurate.

CHRIS [7:32 AM]: you there
LISA [7:32 AM]: hey....just got here
LISA [7:32 AM]: how are you
CHRIS [7:32 AM]: good how are you?
LISA [7:33 AM]: sore.......not sure why
CHRIS [7:34 AM]: that is unfair seems like if you are going to be sore--you ought to be able to say hey i ran 12 miles or I had wild gorilla sex--shouldn't have to say i don't know
LISA [7:34 AM]: yeah i know.... hold on...going to get my first cup of coffee...maybe that will help
CHRIS [7:35 AM]: k
LISA [7:38 AM]: back
CHRIS [7:39 AM]: go to Malkin read her first story I'll bet you a nickel that is what the blogs are talking about today
LISA [7:39 AM]: k
LISA [7:45 AM]: pretty strong stuff
CHRIS [7:45 AM]: hmm
LISA [7:45 AM]: why....do you agree with Brian Williams?
CHRIS [7:47 AM]: i think the terms need to be defined--because if you are defining terrorists as people who rise up and use unconventional tactics--ie guerrilla tactics to overthrow a government then yes indeedy that is what we were--we cut off heads--we poisoned British troops we did everything they do we did it without TV and media spin but our country was born by breaking the chains of tyranny and it wasn't pretty to watch
LISA [7:49 AM]: but we didn’t attach civilians, we didn’t threaten civilians, war is not pretty but terrorists don't follow rules of war, they kill women, children, old men...everyone
LISA [7:51 AM]: need more coffee
CHRIS [7:51 AM]: yes ma'am they do and when you poison the water or when you blow up a building in the middle of town civilians are going to be killed--the argument being had here is one of morality--who are the good guys--i think it is interesting that we are going to re-write history because we don't like the moral connotation of a word --k
LISA [7:53 AM]: we did not "target" civilians..... terrorists target civilians.  That is the whole basis behind them.  They target civilians to instill terror and to attempt to scare them into submission.
LISA [7:54 AM]: we should post this IM as a post about the subject.
CHRIS [7:54 AM]: remember too we lived here--we were the indigenous people the Brits were the occupying force--we didn't have anywhere else to go--guerrilla tactics are always used by the people who can't leave---yeah and what we will finally talk about regarding Iraq twenty years from now if that there were two conflicts going on--the beginnings of a civil war as well as the insurgents fighting what they see as an occupying force--k
LISA [7:57 AM]: I agree that guerrilla tactics were used.  But again, I emphasize that they were not used against civilians.  The insurgents are using these tactics against the civilians in Iraq.  When they capture civilians, the brutally kill them after they have tortured them.  That just didn't happen to civilians in the revolutionary war by our soldiers.

CHRIS [7:58 AM]: the Iraqis are tribal they don't want to be one unified government--they want to kill each other for things real or imagined that happened thousands of years ago--we can install a government we might be able to keep a tenuous peace but it will take generations before the Iraqis abandon that mindset--if they do at all--its cultural
LISA [7:58 AM]: you are getting off subject
CHRIS [8:00 AM]: it's not off subject--it is part and parcel of the whole thing--they are targeting civilians because they want to kill each other--it has very little do with us I believe--they are fighting each other and they are fighting us--the fact that they hope that killing each other makes people not help us is a bonus
CHRIS [8:01 AM]: they don't view anyone as a civilian their religion does not allow for it because all Muslims are required to fight when foreign forces occupy Muslim land--so they don't see the distinction you see--
LISA [8:02 AM]: you are wrong.  A lot of these insurgents are not even Iraqis.  In fact, the Iraqi insurgents are actually attacking the foreign insurgents because they are tired of them killing Iraqis.   
CHRIS [8:04 AM]: yes ma'am all of that is true but it is not the only thing going on there--it's not one group of people--and while foreign fighters are there other things are going on--Sunni vs. Shia--and the Kurds who just want to kill anyone who doesn't want to give them their own state--although they have been very restrained to this point--if you are only talking about foreign fighters that one thing but again that is not the only thing going on
LISA [8:05 AM]: I know its not the only thing.... but it's the majority of what's going on. LISA [8:06 AM]: I hate to cut this off but I need to go to the post office and mail yours and David's biscotti.
LISA [8:06 AM]: Should we post this?
CHRIS [8:06 AM]: ok you are wrong and if you want to talk about killing innocent civilians we can talk about the Indians when you get back--I don't care if you want we can I will get the crap kicked out of me again but bring ‘em on baby
LISA [8:07 AM]: how do ya post it?
CHRIS [8:07 AM]: I'll do it
LISA [8:08 AM]: ok

LISA [8:09 AM]: bye

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Comments

[Always Question]

It is very difficult to step away and look at something like this objectively without becoming defensive. It's "we were right in doing what we did and they are wrong in doing what they do, and it's not the same thing at all."
Did Tory families get burned out of their homes? Did we strike at British rear areas and troops in quarters? Did we employ IEDs? Would a reasonable impartial observer in the 18th century have been incorrect in referring to our revolution as an insurrection?
Call it political correctness, or call it the objective assessment being too painful to think about. We're the good guys and that's that. Right?

[Capitalist Infidel]

What's with all this moral equivilency? I guess to Chris, George Washington = Osama bin Laden. John Adams = Zarqawi. Thomas Jefferson = Zawahiri.

What do democrats do? Wake up in the morning, think of George Washington in Valley Forge and say to themselves that reminds me of Zarqawi beheading Nick Berg?

Liberalism is a mental disorder!

[Lisa]

Cappy,

Yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly. In our IM conversation, I just wasn't getting where Chris was coming from.

Of course, she was just on her first cup of coffee.

Lisa

[Lisa]

Cappy,

Yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly. In our IM conversation, I just wasn't getting where Chris was coming from.

Of course, she was just on her first cup of coffee.

Lisa

[Lisa]

Cappy,

Yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly. In our IM conversation, I just wasn't getting where Chris was coming from.

Of course, she was just on her first cup of coffee.

Lisa

[Capitalist Infidel]

Lisa

I got it the first time. :)

Have you ever wondered what it would take to suprise a liberal? Churchill advocating killing military officers doesnt. Durbin comparing our soldiers at Gitmo to Nazis, the Gulags, and Pol Pots Killing Fields doesnt.

Oh, I know, trying to save Terri Schiavo's life suprised them.

Is this their winning strategy for 2006 and 2008? Elect us so we can bash our military and starve defenseless people to death.